Just the one change in the squad for Saturday then, be interesting to see if Miller comes back into the side after we were decent against Hull. Plenty of pressure on Smith and the Rhinos after recent performances, be great to have a good first 20 again and really turn the screw.

It’s a free hit but should we win, we are in the running for an outside shot at the top half of the playoffs. Retaining Hoy would halo further with the feel good feeling.

Apparently we have had several injuries since the squad was named with 1 in hospital having scans and lingard does not know what the 17 will be

Looks like Macca if rumours are to be believed. Took my wife to see her first live game when we played London,she loved the experience,the atmosphere, and was astonished by the sounds of the contact when not sanitised by a TV camera, but she was transfixed by Macca, his fitness and constant involvement in the game and she was right,wherever the game was he was there. Robb and Horne are good players, with futures ahead of them but they’ll have to go some to reach his level. Sounds like I’m writing his epitaph, but far from it,hope he recovers, and quickly,ageing he may be but still a very special talent.

A dropped ball and a gift penalty and 12 points given away. They never had a sight of our line until then.

Garbage. Tex Hoy has had a shocker.and we have never had a sniff of scoring.

I don’t think we’re garbage. Clearly we’re struggling and the the injuries + unfit players on the field isn’t helping us at all.

Playing like we are today we will win 2 more matches this season.

That Martin try was a mile forward. Hammered by a poor side. You can maybe expect a score line like this against a good side, but Leeds are far from that.

stuey Have to agree,we were lifeless and ineffective and made it easy for Leeds who as you rightly said aren’t a good side, which was fortunate for us otherwise it would have been a cricket score. Not much to take that performance.

Leeds

RaoulDuke

FlatCapper spot on. One of the reasons I no longer frequent the other Cas forum. It’s generally full of negativity, even some of the sane ones are losing it.

I can accept that people have a view but it won’t change the club. Moan all they want but unless you can affect a change, go shout at the moon.

We’ve been told by the club we are rebuilding and it’s not a quick fix. It’s made harder by the fact we have to sort out the ground and that’s where the money has to go.

Interestingly, wilkin was moaning about hull building their team for the future in the knowledge they can’t be kicked out, they have the magic points. They aren’t concerned about coming last. We aren’t afforded the same luxury.

RaoulDuke

Hepworth you sitting have stayed in the sun and watched it out there. The away support isn’t coming anymore. Leeds took about 250 to saints away last weekend. The clubs are being strangled but the viewing figures are better.

RaoulDuke

pirate not going to Cas is actually playing into IMGs hands. They want eyes on screens not on terraces.

We should aim for selling out WR and no space for away support.

Maturecasfan

RaoulDuke

Cas fans will always turn up if they see effort on the field.
It’s always been like that for donkeys years.
To be fair I’m surprised the attendances we are still getting this season.
Some of the dross served up down lane this year as been abysmal.
Fans so far haven’t dropped off. We’ve had some good attendances.
Fans are doing their bit for the crazy IMG.

Would like to know our average so far, anyone know.

pirate

RaoulDuke
67 years old and living in Scarborough has limited my attendance anyway. IMG ruining the sport has left a sour taste in my mouth,
If London and Hull pick up and we finish bottom we should be relegated, I would go as far to say it would be embarrassing if we kept our place if that happened,
If London manage to get above Hull they should stay in SL on merit and Hull should go down.
Teams like Hudds and Salford are adding all the free tickets to their attendance figures.
Catchment areas are all Bo****ks as well.
The IMG script is just a charter for cheats
I WANT NO PART OF IT
I may be an old fart but i can see what is right and what is blatantly wrong.
I have the motorbike and fishing to fill my time
I will become that armchair fan if i can be bothered.
My support will be only in the form of the daily draw and the odd bit of merchandise

CTID, but the sport died before me

RaoulDuke

pirate sometimes I go with gritted teeth to matches and sometimes I’ll be off before the end. I pay my season ticket and do as I please.

IMG isn’t the answer but I don’t think they are being asked the right questions. If it truly is about eyes on the game and getting more money for the clubs, then the salary cap needs to go. Let’s get big stars over here, raise the standards and then the sponsors will come and the tv deals.

For some reason they want to weaken the league just to get cities involved. Wakey have no professional football team and still can’t get a regular 6000 at games. That’s poor stuff by any means.

IMG got into the sport in 2022 on a 12 year deal. 2 years gone and we have a lower sky deal. 10 years to go and with sky ploughing everything into football, only a new broadcaster could help but bt sports (tnt), Premier, Amazon, Netflix etc aren’t interested. I could see the sport coming off sky and going free to air on BBC or other terrestrial channels for virtually nothing. We’ll end up with a highlights package once a week.

Hepworth

Maturecasfan Yup, we seem to be thinking along similar lines, I think the decision may be taken out of our hands with some of those,all gone very quiet re Hoy who I would sign despite the fact he’s shown at Hull and with us he can throw in a bad performance,he’s still our best full back option. Father Time and injuries catching up with Macca and Watts, who knows whether they can or would go round again. Whatever happens we need to do some serious business to be competitive.

pirate

RaoulDuke
Just bought a Scarborough pirates shirt and can get my live RL fix on the coast, thats one less pro RL supporter for IMG to try and con

CTID

mdean

I completely agree with the passage from RaoulDuke
I am not clear what we’re trying to create to be able to back or otherwise any strategy!?!?!

Said this so many times on the board of bickering; is the objective simply TV money and eyes on - say so?
Is it a more competitive game - say so.
Stronger international game, or expand participation?
Is it broader geography - say so.
say SOMETHING - SOMETHING CLEARLY - at the moment we have an unbalanced framework which is uncomfortable for a lot of clubs, not clear for supporters, damaging the competition in that it seems to be irrelevant what London, Us, Hull or in fact any team does on the pitch this season to next.

I would suspend some of my bias if I knew the greater good we’re trying to create, but I simply dont get it.

Pat

So far IMG have got us a lower sky deal. we have had to pay for our own big screen we have reduced our capacity by 1.300 by putting the seats in princess st to please img so we will not be able to get our usual 10.000 gates at the start of the season like we have the last few seasons how much will that have cost

RaoulDuke

mdean a clear vision is the bare minimum but most teams want something different. So whichever way they go, someone will want something else. But at least we’d know the why and wherefore.

It wouldn’t be unreasonable to believe that the rules brought in were to only allow the big teams to grow and the little ones fail.

That Cas hasn’t got a led sponsors board isn’t worth a jot but could mean we don’t get into the top league. With Mr Jepson sending people to the led board makers so they can evaluate it’s worth tells me that IMG haven’t given an appropriate reason for one being in the ground. Spending 100k on a board for “Jones pies of lumby” to pay 2k a year on advertising won’t pay.

How much do other clubs gain for bringing away support to Cas? It actually strengthens the opposition
Leeds took 200 fans to saints, so it’s not the facilities that’s the problem, more likely trying to get across the M62 on a night when a lot of people work 9-5.

mdean

Agree with much of what you say, I think the LED boards are purely for media, which I am OK with if IMG explained why and had more in play than just rules.

As you said, at least we’d know….. If RL and IMG together said - who goes, goes, great but our focus is on media and advertising eyes - fans are second and rugby 3rd. I wouldn’t like it, but it would be something clear.

mdean

But this framework seems schizophrenic in that we want facilities and seats in the grounds - that seems to indicate for growing in person viewing.
But LED hoardings I would strongly suggest don’t get leverage in the ground as most fans will have seen sponsors and advertisers logos 1000 times on merch, stands and programs.
So is it for tele? in which case then catchment is rubbish because that’s not the meal ticket.

It feels like an ugly cobble of all sorts, there may be a clear thread and vision, but no one is explaining that to me!

Hepworth

As a business owner I’ve never subscribed to the adage “It pays to advertise” to certain companies it does,but by no means all,our market is restricted and no size of spend will improve that. I get that many larger companies, the kind you see on the Premier League LED boards earn from their advertising but unlike Cas they seem to be National rather than local companies, who if you look round our ground would be very unlikely to see any increase in turnover simply because it was a digital sign. Similar can be said for the big screens, and I stand to be corrected, but I don’t believe there is one at Old Trafford or Anfield, Barcelona or Real Madrid so that would make a mockery of the notion it’s essential. Much of IMGs thinking appears to be if you chuck enough at it something will stick. It’s not innovative or creative,much of it isn’t even necessary and to my mind will alienate more fans than it wins over.

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